Episode 55: Olympics Recap

Welcome to Episode 55. The Sammy Hagar episode. IYKYK, as the kids say.

This week, we talk about Bruce Springsteen returning to Europe next year (not Ireland, sadly) and the PBS Passport show “Bruce Springsteen’s Nebraska: A Celebration in Words and Music” (not, as we say on the podcast, the upcoming feature film based on Warren Zanes’ book, Deliver Me From Nowhere: The Making of Bruce Springsteen’s Nebraska) (oops).

And we talk about planning an epic 30th anniversary trip somewhere warm (also not Ireland, and we probably won’t be dropping in on Sammy Hagar in Cabo either).

But mostly, we talk about the Olympics. Specifically, we talk about the events we watched the most (swimming, gymnastics, diving, track and field, cycling, and … competitive walking?!), the controversy over Olympic breaking, and the things we enjoyed the most — Snoop Dogg being everywhere, and Flava Flav saving the US Women’s Water Polo team … which leads to a conversation about the remarkable love Black athletes and fans showed for America, a country that does not often return that love.

We also talk a bit about the 2028 games in Los Angeles, and then we turn to the dark side of the Olympics, including: 

  • The Federation Internationale de Gymnastique’s (FIG’s) bogus decision to strip US gymnast Jordan Chiles of her bronze medal (and the equally bogus ruling from the Court of Arbitration for Sport upholding FIG’s decision); and 
  • The ginned up, transphobic and likely defamatory attacks on Algerian boxer Imane Khelif. 

We hope you enjoy the show, and please feel free to follow us on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave). You can also follow us on the site formerly known as Twitter, where our joint account is @JennandDave1 and the podcast account is @itsotetPodcast. Until next time!

Episode 49: Twenty-two Songs, Seven Encores and the Power of … Maybe?

In our first episode back from our vacation hiatus, we begin our recap of this year’s trip to Ireland, a country that is near and dear to us. We briefly talk about our visits to Dublin and Cork, using GPS to navigate, and the many (many) modes of transportation we used.

But we spend most of the episode talking about Bruce Springsteen’s fantastic show at Croke Park on May 19. Bruce’s 2023 show at Dublin’s RDS Arena was great and will always be a special experience, but this year’s show was really something. In front of 80,000 adoring fans from Ireland and around the globe, Bruce had a renewed energy, a strong voice, and a seemingly invincible spirit. The 2023 show, while uplifting and life-affirming as always, had somber, introspective moments that simultaneously made you feel glad to be alive but appreciate how fleeting it all is. This year’s show, on the other hand, convinced us that Bruce and the rest of us will live forever. 

Figuratively, at least.

Some highlights from his twenty-two song, seven-encore performance in Dublin:

  • Opening the show with “Lonesome Day” from The Rising, a pleasant surprise in its own right, and following it immediately with “Night” from Darkness on the Edge of Town, a diehard fan’s favorite.
  • Bringing back “Darlington County” from Born in the U.S.A., a song he might have left behind because of its comical (obviously pre-9/11) reference to the World Trade Center.
  • Giving Nebraska’s “Reason to Believe” a full E Street Band/ZZ Top-inspired treatment.
  • “Wrecking Ball,” the only song he played off of that album, which the crowd always goes crazy for.
  • “She’s the One.” Nothing else to add here, really. It’s simply one of the best songs ever recorded.
  • “Nightshift” from Only the Strong Survive, Bruce’s 2022 album of soul covers. This song lets the E Street Band’s great backup singers step into the spotlight.
  • A rousing, emotional “My City of Ruins,” a song he originally wrote for Freehold, NJ, that became a New York City anthem after 9/11.
  • An incredible set of encores featuring “Land of Hope and Dreams/People Get Ready,” “Born to Run,” and a cover of the Isely Brothers’ “Twist and Shout” (Dublin did not cut the power half-way through, unlike London when Bruce and Paul McCartney sang it at Hyde Park).
  • And the emotional crescendo of the evening: closing the show with a cover of the Pogues’ “A Rainy Night in SoHo” as a tribute to the late Shane MacGowan. We knew it was coming, but that did not lessen the impact.

We then talk (half-jokingly and half-seriously) about the power of saying “maybe” instead of “yes” or “no.” You know, we really might be onto something here!

And finally, we think we found the place where we will ultimately retire (God willing). But you’ll have to tune in to our next episode to find out where that is.

We hope you enjoy the show, and please feel free to follow us on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave). You can also follow us on the site formerly known as Twitter, where our joint account is @JennandDave1 and the podcast account is @itsotetPodcast. Until next time! 

Episode 48: Civil Rights Galas, College Graduations, Kind Words, and Bruce in Ireland

In this week’s episode, we talk about Lambda Legal’s Bon Foster Civil Rights Celebration at the Art Institute of Chicago, for which Dave is on the host committee. It’s not too late to make a donation to this fantastic organization, which has been fighting for LGBTQIA+ rights for more than 50 years. 

Then, Jennifer gives a recap of her fun but very hectic trip to San Antonio last weekend, we talk about our youngest’s college graduation this weekend, and the importance of sharing kind and supportive words … even if it doesn’t come naturally to some of us!

Finally, we spend some time talking about our upcoming trip to Ireland to see Bruce Springsteen (again!), Bruce’s European tour opener in Cardiff, and his (first ever?) performance in Belfast, a city that could use a lot of love.

We hope you enjoy the show, and please feel free to follow us on Instagram (@jenn_and_dave). You can also follow us on the site formerly known as Twitter, where our joint account is @JennandDave1 and the podcast account is @itsotetPodcast. Until next time

Episode 41: The Reboot!

Yes, it’s been awhile since we posted our last episode on October 1, 2023. We’ve had a lot going on since then (mostly, the holidays) and we’ve given a lot of thought to whether we should continue the podcast, due in part to some of the flak we get online. But, in the end, we decided that we’re not going to let the haters dictate what we do and say.

So, we’re back. And this time we mean it.

Anyway, in this episode we talk about dealing with abuse on social media without losing your sanity. We’re not policing anybody’s posts, but sometimes the best thing to do is to simply not engage. You can mute the abusers, block them, or simply ignore their comments and get on with your life, but there’s no real upside to fighting with them. Post whatever you want, but consider what’s the sanest and best approach to dealing with people who get bent out of shape — because no matter what you post, it’s pretty much guaranteed that somebody’s going to get bent out of shape about it.

On a lighter note, we also talk about traveling back to Ireland (our third trip in three years) to see Bruce Springsteen again (for the second time in two years). Last year, you may recall, we split our time between Dublin and Sligo; this year we’re splitting our time between Dublin and Cork, Ireland’s second largest city. Should be a great trip!

So, we hope you enjoy the show, and please feel free to follow us on the site formerly known as Twitter. Our joint account is @JennandDave1 and the podcast account is @itsotetPodcast. Until next time! 

Episode 35: A Quieter Podcast … Sort Of

On this Week’s Episode: Haircuts. Heated conversations. Why people feel like they don’t have a platform when there are more platforms than ever. The Clash and the ethos of punk. Bruce in Ireland (again!) and how Little Steven trolled the haters. A chance meeting between Joe Strummer and Bob Weir. RIP and Pee Wee Herman and Tony Bennett. Johnny Cash always got it. And more!

So, please enjoy this week’s episode, feel free to share your thoughts in the comments, and, as always, support the rights of LGBTQIA people everywhere! And follow us on Twitter at @itsotetPodcast.

Episode 26: Ireland, Part 2

Following up on Episode 25, we continue our conversation about our recent trip to see Bruce Springsteen in Dublin, but first we talk about recording an episode of Set Lusting Bruce with our friend and podcaster, Jesse Jackson (not that Jesse Jackson; the Springsteen podcaster from Dallas). We had a really great time talking to Jesse about some serious stuff (the rising tide of anti-LGBTQIA prejudice in the US and whether it’s the last gasp of a dying ideology) and some very fun stuff (BRUCE!). 

We’ll post a link to Jesse’s podcast when it’s up. In the meantime, check out other episodes of his podcast, including the most recent episode where he talks with Warren Zanes, author of a deep-dive into the Nebraska album called Deliver Me From Nowhere.

We then we go into an extended discussion about the concert, getting there, getting in, getting close to the stage, and … getting wet. But it was a fantastic show and Bruce was in fine form. The set opened with “My Love Will Not Let You Down,” which was the opening number on his reunion tour with the E Street Band in 2000, so it holds a special place in Springsteen lore. From there, he played a fair number of songs from: 

  • The Wild, the Innocent & the E Street Shuffle (“Kitty’s Back,” “The E Street Shuffle”); 
  • Born to Run (“Born to Run,” “Thunder Road,” “Tenth Avenue Freeze-Out,” “Backstreets,” “She’s the One”); 
  • Darkness on the Edge of Town (“The Promised Land,” “Prove it All Night,” “Badlands,” “Something in the Night”); 
  • Born in the USA (“No Surrender,” “Glory Days,” “Dancing in the Dark,” “Bobby Jean”); 
  • The Rising (“The Rising,” “Mary’s Place”);
  • Wrecking Ball (“Wrecking Ball,” “Death to My Hometown”); and 
  • Letter to You (“Letter to You,” “Ghosts,” “Last Man Standing,” “I’ll See You in My Dreams”).

He also played “Out in the Street” from The River, “Nightshift” from Only the Strong Survive (his recent collection of soul covers), Jimmy Cliff’s “Trapped,” “Johnny 99” from Nebraska, and “Because the Night” (an all-time favorite). He did not do some of his lesser known songs that resonate with long-timers (“Roulette,” “Held Up Without a Gun,” “Paradise by the ‘C’”), but it was a very solid retrospective of his career. You can actually down the audio of the performance here.

In addition to that, we talk about our time in Dublin, wandering around O’Connell Street, our adventures on public transport, and hiking in the Dublin Mountains, plus our visits to the James Joyce Centre and the Garden of Remembrance and our thoughts on the documentary, Bono & The Edge: A Sort of Homecoming with Dave Letterman, part of which was filmed right across the street from our hotel.

For more on our Ireland trip, the concert, and reflections on modern Ireland, you can listen to this episode of David’s Clash podcast, Two Minutes Fifty-Nine.

So, please enjoy this week’s episode, feel free to share your thoughts in the comments, and, as always, support the rights of LGBTQIA people everywhere! And if you’re new here, you can also follow our Twitter account, @itsotetPodcast.

On the bus to RDS Arena
We were *this* close
Bruce and Little Steven were in fine form
Bruce comes over to our side of the stage

Episode 25: Ireland, Part 1

In the first of (at least) two episodes on our epic trip to Ireland to visit the ancestral home of one side of the family and to see Bruce Springsteen in Dublin, we talk about the genesis of this crazy trip, flying into Dublin, driving to County Sligo in the northwest and the time we spent there, and then driving back to Dublin for the show. 

We will post some pictures of the first part of the trip shortly, but suffice it to say that Sligo and the northwest coast of Ireland are spectacularly beautiful. Sitting on an estuary where the River Garavogue (An Gharbhóg) meets the Atlantic Ocean, the city of Sligo has about 20,000 residents, but, like most of Ireland, is quickly becoming a center of technology. The mountains of Benbulben and Knocknarea (with the massive cairn of Queen Maeve (Medb) visible at the top) dominate the views from nearly every street corner, and the city itself is just a short distance away from Strandhill beach, the Collooney Mill Falls, and the Eagles Flying raptor sanctuary, where we got to meet a couple of owls, a falcon, and other assorted birds of prey.

Meanwhile, if you ever get a chance to visit Sligo and you’re looking for accommodations, we recommend the Clayton Hotel. We had a massive room there and really enjoyed our stay. And we learned a little bit about Gaelic football from one of the bartenders, too. 

On next week’s show, we’ll talk more about our time in Dublin and Bruce Springsteen’s phenomenal show, plus wandering around O’Connell Street, our adventures on public transport, and hiking in the Dublin Mountains. 

So, please enjoy this week’s episode, feel free to share your thoughts in the comments, and, as always, support the rights of LGBTQIA people everywhere! And if you’re new here, you can also follow our Twitter account, @itsotetPodcast.

Episode 23: On the Road Again

On this week’s episode: cats don’t worry about other people’s chosen names and pronouns, so you shouldn’t either. We also revisit an old classic: the Boy Scouts of America, an organization notorious for its homophobia in the 1980s and ’90s, recently settled decades of child sex abuse claims for a cool $2.5 billion, and yet your favorite online transphobes — you know, the ones who claim to care so much about other people’s kids — remained predictably silent. It’s almost like they’re more interested in distracting attention away from real abusers than they are in keeping kids safe … 

But we spend most of this week’s episode talking about one of our favorite bands, The Mavericks. We just got back from seeing the alt-country, Latin-influenced icons in Milwaukee (a greatly underrated city, by the way), and, as always, they were outstanding. We’ve followed The Mavericks since the mid-’90s and it’s hard to explain just how great they are in concert. You just have to see them for yourselves.

And speaking of traveling to see bands, next month we’re off to Ireland to see Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band in Dublin, which means that we will take a two-week break after next week’s show. But don’t worry. We’ll have lots to talk about, not the least of which will involve driving stick-shift on the wrong side of the road.

Finally, we wrap up the show with a funny incident that happened last week: somebody hacked notorious anti-LGBTQIA troll Matt Walsh’s Twitter account, and hilarity ensued.

So, please enjoy this week’s episode, feel free to share your thoughts in the comments, and, as always, support the rights of LGBTQIA people everywhere! And if you’re new here, you can also follow our Twitter account, @itsotetPodcast.

Episode 12: Going Viral!

On this week’s show, we have news about our upcoming appearances on Jesse Jackson’s Set Lusting Bruce podcast (David’s episode will post on 4/13/22 and Jennifer’s on 4/14/22 — please check them out!) and the great conversations we had, and we also revisit the video we made for Transgender Day of Visibility (check that out, too!).

Please listen to this week’s episode, feel free to share your thoughts in the comments, and, as always, support the rights of LGBTQ+ people everywhere!

Episode 8: Casimir Pulaski Day

On this week’s show, we talk about Dave’s appearance on Jesse Jackson’s Set Lusting Bruce podcast, the podcast of all things Springsteen. Dave and Jesse recorded the podcast last week and the episode will likely be posted in early April (watch this space for updates and a link when posted). In other podcast news … Jennifer is going to record an episode of Jesse’s podcast too! Our two episodes are likely to be posted around the same time! Many thanks to Jesse for being so accommodating.

We also talk about Casimir Pulaski, father of the American cavalry and hero of the Revolution, who, though he never set foot in Illinois, is honored with a state holiday due in large part to the sizable Polish population here. Gen. Pulaski’s story is quite remarkable — and, though you would not know it, is quite relevant to our show! 

So please listen to this week’s episode and, as always, feel free to share your thoughts in the comments. And, as always, support the rights of LGBTQ+ people everywhere!